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	<description>Opening up a monster-sized toolbox of tactics.</description>
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		<title>By: Full Disclosure Necessary &#187; The Buzz Bin</title>
		<link>http://www.adelemcalear.com/2008/05/29/is-pr-innately-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Full Disclosure Necessary &#187; The Buzz Bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ironically, 96 percent of PR people adamantly insisted that full disclosure be given in such situations. How do you like them apples, PR industry haters? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ironically, 96 percent of PR people adamantly insisted that full disclosure be given in such situations. How do you like them apples, PR industry haters? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Staffeen Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.adelemcalear.com/2008/05/29/is-pr-innately-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Staffeen Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To start, the reputation of PR would change – if PR professionals would treat other PR professionals with more respect. As a new Communications professional, I've quickly learned that we (at all stages in our careers) need to be accountable for our actions, especially in our current ‘transparent’ climate. I'm stupefied at the behaviour of some professionals towards PR volunteers, towards PR interns, towards their fellow colleagues. Perhaps I’m naïve in believing this? Naïve and jaded all at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To start, the reputation of PR would change – if PR professionals would treat other PR professionals with more respect. As a new Communications professional, I&#8217;ve quickly learned that we (at all stages in our careers) need to be accountable for our actions, especially in our current ‘transparent’ climate. I&#8217;m stupefied at the behaviour of some professionals towards PR volunteers, towards PR interns, towards their fellow colleagues. Perhaps I’m naïve in believing this? Naïve and jaded all at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Two &#8220;Invisible Hands&#8221; Touch &#171; Rick Wolff</title>
		<link>http://www.adelemcalear.com/2008/05/29/is-pr-innately-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Two &#8220;Invisible Hands&#8221; Touch &#171; Rick Wolff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Relations had a tough row to hoe. Human mistakes, they realized (correctly), were not as bad for the company as admission of said [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Relations had a tough row to hoe. Human mistakes, they realized (correctly), were not as bad for the company as admission of said [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Wolff</title>
		<link>http://www.adelemcalear.com/2008/05/29/is-pr-innately-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Wolff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I put it on Twitter today: "PR's job, then and now: prove the true, disprove the false, hype the good, admit the bad. Only now, we can tell when you lie."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I put it on Twitter today: &#8220;PR&#8217;s job, then and now: prove the true, disprove the false, hype the good, admit the bad. Only now, we can tell when you lie.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Is PR a Lost Cause?</title>
		<link>http://www.adelemcalear.com/2008/05/29/is-pr-innately-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Is PR a Lost Cause?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I talked recently about PR stereotypes, and Judy Gombita of PR Conversations just sent a link to this post: Is PR Innately Immoral? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I talked recently about PR stereotypes, and Judy Gombita of PR Conversations just sent a link to this post: Is PR Innately Immoral? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://www.adelemcalear.com/2008/05/29/is-pr-innately-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like most of the people weighing in are bloggers, so just wanted to share why they hate PR so much.

For 2 years, I ran a reasonably successful blog called The Bargain Queen -- it was #1 fashion blog in Australia for a while, but never huge by global standards. In the time I've run it, the amount of spam from PR companies has gotten higher and higher. Seems like every PR company that doesn't get social media tells their clients they can do it, hires an intern and instructs them to email press releases to lots of bloggers, with little regard to relevance.

Personally, I get enough PR spam that it takes half an hour or so every day to sort it out. If it's that bad for a moderately successful blogger like myself, imagine what the 'big guys' like Scoble face?

So when bloggers start saying 'PR is evil', they possibly mean, 'I hate the clueless PRs who fill my email with irrelevant press releases every single day'. When that's their main experience of the whole PR industry, can you blame us bloggers for hating PR flacks?

PS: NO, I don't PERSONALLY hate PR people. I'm married to a non-evil PR person. Yes, they do exist :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like most of the people weighing in are bloggers, so just wanted to share why they hate PR so much.</p>
<p>For 2 years, I ran a reasonably successful blog called The Bargain Queen &#8212; it was #1 fashion blog in Australia for a while, but never huge by global standards. In the time I&#8217;ve run it, the amount of spam from PR companies has gotten higher and higher. Seems like every PR company that doesn&#8217;t get social media tells their clients they can do it, hires an intern and instructs them to email press releases to lots of bloggers, with little regard to relevance.</p>
<p>Personally, I get enough PR spam that it takes half an hour or so every day to sort it out. If it&#8217;s that bad for a moderately successful blogger like myself, imagine what the &#8216;big guys&#8217; like Scoble face?</p>
<p>So when bloggers start saying &#8216;PR is evil&#8217;, they possibly mean, &#8216;I hate the clueless PRs who fill my email with irrelevant press releases every single day&#8217;. When that&#8217;s their main experience of the whole PR industry, can you blame us bloggers for hating PR flacks?</p>
<p>PS: NO, I don&#8217;t PERSONALLY hate PR people. I&#8217;m married to a non-evil PR person. Yes, they do exist <img src='http://www.adelemcalear.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I'm not busy sacrificing babies to the Dark Lord Bernays, I'm a PR guy, and frankly, I've been getting a little bit sick of the constant diatribes that PR people are horrible parasites.  The problem is, some of them are.

The answer is education and training.   I talk to a lot of PR firms in my line of work from all over North America.  Some of them get it, some of them completely miss the point.   The only way we can shift the balance is to keep learning, keep training, and keep exposing the weak links in our chain.  

I think self-regulation would be an extremely difficult process, but may end up being what's necessary.  In all honesty, I think what PR looks like in even 5 years will be very different  than the way it looks today, and I expect it will be far less siloed and specialty than it is today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I&#8217;m not busy sacrificing babies to the Dark Lord Bernays, I&#8217;m a PR guy, and frankly, I&#8217;ve been getting a little bit sick of the constant diatribes that PR people are horrible parasites.  The problem is, some of them are.</p>
<p>The answer is education and training.   I talk to a lot of PR firms in my line of work from all over North America.  Some of them get it, some of them completely miss the point.   The only way we can shift the balance is to keep learning, keep training, and keep exposing the weak links in our chain.  </p>
<p>I think self-regulation would be an extremely difficult process, but may end up being what&#8217;s necessary.  In all honesty, I think what PR looks like in even 5 years will be very different  than the way it looks today, and I expect it will be far less siloed and specialty than it is today.</p>
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		<title>By: Zane Safrit</title>
		<link>http://www.adelemcalear.com/2008/05/29/is-pr-innately-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Zane Safrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're asking are the people in PR immoral? It's a fair question, really, still a bit tricky though.  Sometimes it's hard to distinguish the tail from the dog. Is it the corporation whose goals degrade a PR firms initiative into something embarassing? Or is it the PR firms who lead their client offtrack? 

Does that make everyone involved, client or agency, immoral? 

I think we all fall victim to myopic, short-sighted, goals and tactics to reach those goals. And we're allowed, permitted, empowered by the silence of those around us. 

PR firms don't operate in a vaccum any more than any of us do. And this issue didn't arrive today. 

The change is this social media arriving at the time grass roots democracy in politics and business all call for more...honesty, morality, accountability, transparency...just plain decency. It gives voice to all the things we all talk about quietly among ourselves over dinner. 

I wouldn't throw the PR firms under this new bus of transparency (though a few years ago I did, on occasion).  They had a lot of encouragement along the way. Now with social media, there's encouragement and tools and voices to get them and us back on track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re asking are the people in PR immoral? It&#8217;s a fair question, really, still a bit tricky though.  Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to distinguish the tail from the dog. Is it the corporation whose goals degrade a PR firms initiative into something embarassing? Or is it the PR firms who lead their client offtrack? </p>
<p>Does that make everyone involved, client or agency, immoral? </p>
<p>I think we all fall victim to myopic, short-sighted, goals and tactics to reach those goals. And we&#8217;re allowed, permitted, empowered by the silence of those around us. </p>
<p>PR firms don&#8217;t operate in a vaccum any more than any of us do. And this issue didn&#8217;t arrive today. </p>
<p>The change is this social media arriving at the time grass roots democracy in politics and business all call for more&#8230;honesty, morality, accountability, transparency&#8230;just plain decency. It gives voice to all the things we all talk about quietly among ourselves over dinner. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t throw the PR firms under this new bus of transparency (though a few years ago I did, on occasion).  They had a lot of encouragement along the way. Now with social media, there&#8217;s encouragement and tools and voices to get them and us back on track.</p>
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		<title>By: gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's all in your motivation ...

trying to get?  evil

trying to give?  good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s all in your motivation &#8230;</p>
<p>trying to get?  evil</p>
<p>trying to give?  good</p>
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		<title>By: Social Media Mafia</title>
		<link>http://www.adelemcalear.com/2008/05/29/is-pr-innately-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Media Mafia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One aspect of (I'm not a PR person by the way, but..) PR, is about reaching your target audience, and talking in the channels they operate in and with a language they understand, it is basic level 1 sociology and communications.

For those NOT in Internet aimed start-ups, let's say a plumbing business, to talk of Internet communities only and not using traditional PR is franky dumb and short-sighted of a significant magnitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One aspect of (I&#8217;m not a PR person by the way, but..) PR, is about reaching your target audience, and talking in the channels they operate in and with a language they understand, it is basic level 1 sociology and communications.</p>
<p>For those NOT in Internet aimed start-ups, let&#8217;s say a plumbing business, to talk of Internet communities only and not using traditional PR is franky dumb and short-sighted of a significant magnitude.</p>
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